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Kurt Warner: Toning Down Jesus Talk Would be More Effective for Tim Tebow

Kurt Warner was known as one of the most religious players in the NFL when he played. One of his most notable moments was when he won the Super Bowl and bellowed “Thank you Jesus!” As Christ-focused as he was, the former Rams and Cardinals quarterback quickly learned that constantly mentioning the Lord can be a turnoff for some people, so he made an adjustment.

“There’s almost a faith cliche, where (athletes) come out and say, ‘I want to thank my Lord and savior,’” Warner told the Arizona Republic. “As soon as you say that, the guard goes up, the walls go up, and I came to realize you have to be more strategic.”

Warner feels that’s a lesson Tim Tebow could benefit from.

“You can’t help but cheer for a guy like that,” Warner said of Tebow. “But I’d tell him, ‘Put down the boldness in regards to the words, and keep living the way you’re living. Let your teammates do the talking for you. Let them cheer on your testimony.’

“I know what he’s going through, and I know what he wants to accomplish, but I don’t want anybody to become calloused toward Tim because they don’t understand him, or are not fully aware of who he is. And you’re starting to see that a little bit.”

Tebow has already turned off former Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer with his constant religious mentions. Although Plummer respects Tebow’s game, he says he’d like Tebow more if he weren’t so overbearing. Many other people feel the same way. But Tebow said he won’t stop thanking the Lord any time he has the chance.

As for me, even though I don’t follow Tebow’s religious beliefs, it doesn’t turn me off. I just tune it out and respect him for all his other positive characteristics: he’s hardworking, dedicated, honest, and a good teammate. As long as you’re living your life with those types of values, your religion doesn’t matter to me. It shouldn’t to anyone else.

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  • Anonymous

    You forgot to mention Hitler, remember he was killing people for his creator and why not mention the  fact that most of the bloodiest wars in history are products of religious fervor.  While your at it explain why almost the entire prison pop. is made up of religious types. New flash the dictators you mentioned killed but not in the name of atheism. I watch sports to escape real world junk i.e. Tewbow trying to further his agenda. Show any evidence for god and I’ll take you seriously

  • Anonymous

    in matthew it says to pray in your closet with the door closed, another pasaages says a rich man has no chance of entering heaven. If you want to quote scripture you will come out second best. And don’t make me bring the talking snake into this

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GMTO6GHDDYDPJMQWD23IBNAN5Y Eric Couch

    Hitler killing people for his creator?  I see lots of opinions, no facts.

    What we desire of tomorrow’s youth is different from what was desired in the past. We must create the new man so that our race will not succumb to the phenomenon of degeneration so typical of modern times.
    - Adolf Hitler

    All that is non-viable in nature invariably perishes. We humans have transgressed the law of natural selection in the last decades. Not only have we supported inferior life-forms, we have encouraged their propagation. The offspring of these sick people are disfigured.  Healthy normal people lived in dark narrow streets and ramshackled hovels. For idiots and madmen, though, palaces were built. But these people were not even receptive to the beauty that surrounded them. The German people hardly knew the extent of this blight. They do not know the oppressive atmosphere in these places where thousands of drooling imbeciles must be fed and cared for—individuals lower than any beasts. In the past 70 years, our people have increased by 50%, while the hereditarily ill have increased by 450%! If this development continues, in 50 years there will be one defective for every 4 healthy people! An endless procession of horrors would invade our nation, boundless misery would affect our valuable race, which would march headlong to its doom!
    - Nazi war propoganda

    That doesn’t sound atheistic at all does it?

    no such thing as moral truth = depriveledging of human life

    “Without God and the future life? How will man be after that? It means everything is permitted now.”
    —Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GMTO6GHDDYDPJMQWD23IBNAN5Y Eric Couch

    The entire prison population is made up of religious types?  So you’re saying that murder, theft, and rape are the edicts of Christianity?

    I don’t need to show evidence of God to be taken seriously.  You explain your origin, your purpose and your destination without God and I’ll take you seriously.

  • Anonymous

    I’m sure jesus would be real proud of tim, making millions pushing his beliefs down erveyones throat, showboating constantly playing a violent game and trying to inflict pain on his fellow man.  No wonder religious peoples IQs are so much lower than atheist

  • Anonymous

    John your comments are interesting.  First, you watch sports to escape real world junk? The players are still human, with human actions, which is real world.  Second, Tebow’s agenda? What do you believe his “agenda” is? To convert the world to Christianity? That makes no sense. He’s just being thankful and showing others that they should look deeper.  He’s not taking credit but gives the credit to someone greater.  Lastly, show you evidence for God? Let’s put it this way. I’d rather take my chances and live in obedience to Jesus’ commandments and live eternally in happiness and love than take alternative chances and suffer hell for eternity. There’s no reset button in hell–everyone chooses their own eternity.

  • Anonymous

    There is Tim Tebow giving simple recognition on his knee and an extreme other element on the other side  ……………………………>>>>Sandusky in the locker room showers with defenseless boys.
    As for those who say faith “forced/ crammed”  down their throats” …. I believe it  was Atheists that had anti Christian faith banners being flown overhead at some stadium crownds recently. They also had buses in Chicago with anti Christian poster messages. So much for the “crammed down our throats” claim.

  • Anonymous

    try reading Mein Kamf, better yet try reading a newspaper and I only wish we could bet on the ideology of who’s killing who.  I would love to take your money while reading about suicide bombings or  just good ole religious nut jobs killing because god told them to.  Please point out some atheist going around killing anyone or anything, right now.  I will show you the vast majority of kiilling are by religious nut jobs, that’s mainly because atheist have  superior intellect and you’ll find the prisons are chock full of xtians.  do your research if you really want to learn. Non believers are not the problem.  peace   

  • Anonymous

    all religions are b.s.  yours is no exception

  • Anonymous

    johnconnore     ” No wonder religious peoples IQs are so much lower than atheist”

    Try starring  Kurt Warner in the face and make this remark.  What do you offer as proof that people of faith all over ther world have lower IQ’s than people who are atheistic ? What would cause  people with belief to have lower IQ.s anymore than Republicans would have lower IQ’s than Progressive Democrats ?
    Hidden bias on your part.  PS What is your personal documented and certified  IQ that you could offer as proof of your “enlightenment’ ?

  • http://www.facebook.com/thevoiceofrock Danny Wilde

    Then he also needs to blame God when he goes 1 for 25 with 4 picks and 3 fumbles… Love the guy and his character but he is a decent HIGH SCHOOL quarterback on his best day

  • http://www.facebook.com/thevoiceofrock Danny Wilde

    The Crusades were approximately 40 MILLION people

  • http://www.facebook.com/thevoiceofrock Danny Wilde

    No just Catholicism

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GMTO6GHDDYDPJMQWD23IBNAN5Y Eric Couch

    I took you up on your offer.  I went to the msnbc home page to see if I could see a single story of any kind of murder.  Sure enough, there is one.  john wayne gacy is on the front page.  go check out his wikipedia page and tell me if he is a Christian nut job.  Nope, quite the opposite.  You’ll find all sorts of stuff that I’m sure you as an atheist support like pornography, prostitution, and drugs.  You gonna blame this on Christianity or the degradation of our moral society?  Why don’t you do some research and respond with specifics instead of empty platitudes.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GMTO6GHDDYDPJMQWD23IBNAN5Y Eric Couch

    superior intellect?  I’ve responded to you with logic and reason and all I get back are “I’ll bet you…”, “get educated…”, and “I will show you…” but then don’t.  I don’t need to do any more research than I already have.  I supplied an ample amout of facts that have remained unrefuted.  All you have shown is that you are superior in ego and condescension.

  • Anonymous

    I think that what pragmatical was trying to say is that there are many religions in our country with citizens who worship different gods and tebow’s remarks from his individual beliefs could make others feel uncomfortable. Imagine if every player who makes a good play expresses their faith on camaras. It would create unnecessary tension. In my opinion, these atheletes are idols, something his own god condemms anyway. Play foot ball and leave God out of the NFL entertainment business Tim. The Almighty has more important things to do than helping you make a touchdown pass.

  • Anonymous

    Well, the simple answer to your question is not everybody is Christian.  But I do agree with you in principle, even if your wording excludes numerous other people who might otherwise get what your saying.  Full disclosure: I’m agnostic and I am really not bothered at all by what Tebow does.  To be honest, all this controversy over his religious beliefs seem manufactured. I’m more concerned that Tebow will unwittingly become a polarising symbol for issues much bigger than he is.  I don’t think he wants that and its not fair to him.  Let him practice his beliefs in peace.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_25XTMXY5RQD4JGVR4PJXVPBBFE Jonathan

    questions for christians:
    The bible states that the earth is 6,000 years old, do you believe it?
    I might have socks that old.
    If christianity is so good and righteous, why all the molestation of alter boys at the hands of the clergy?
    And why did the outcast cardinal of the Boston diocese get selected to a more prestigeous post at the vatican after it was proven that he tried to cover up for the preists that were guilty of child molestation?
    Do you believe that the god speaks to the pope?
    Do you understand that popes have been extremely corrupt throughout the centuries?
    Here in Tucson, the catholic diocese had to declare bankrupcy due to millions of dollars in punitive damages awarded to the victims of molestation at the hands of the clergy.
     Do you really wonder why people are sceptical of your faith?
    Please pardon my spelling errors.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think the Bible actually states the Earth is 6000 years old, that’s just the inferred time then to now from the earliest events recorded in Genesis. That being said, the world could have been around for a much longer period of time before humanity was created. And no, the whole 7 days thing doesn’t refute that. A lot of numbers in the Bible are symbols for something different (3 – darkness, 7 – God/God’s work, 40 – time of completion). Also, if a man claims to be a diehard atheist and is discovered worshiping Allah, would you believe his claim? So when a priest or religious official molests a child, should you believe he is following Christian principles? Lastly, I throw all the Pope nonsense out the window. There is no origin of the Pope in the Bible; he was a device created by the early Catholic faith. There are actually many things I find wrong with Catholicism, but I believe that even in the midst of that, you can be a good Christian even if Catholic. I say all this respectfully and unbiased. I’m not doing anything other than answering your question, and I would appreciate if people would keep it respectful in here. It’s even a bit sickening how some of the “Christians” in here are treating the atheists and agnostics. (Also, I don’t flip a lid at Coca-Cola for forcing their billboard ads and commercial ads down my throat although I see them a lot more often than I see anyone pray in public. What right does anyone have to make such a bold claim against another human that they are FORCING their religion down someone’s throat? If anyone truly forced their religion, you would have no choice but to choke it down; if it truly does offend you, just turn away.)

  • https://about.me/brandon.holthaus SomeNo1

    Yeah, really shoved down our throats, considering you seem to be the only one who knows about that. Really, a couple examples of a banner and a poster. Congrats.

  • https://about.me/brandon.holthaus SomeNo1

    I’m not a lost soul, but thanks for judging ya pretentious hypocrite. You see, you actually gave me a *reason* to make that assessment.

  • https://about.me/brandon.holthaus SomeNo1

    And you are interpreting it to apply to your life. You’re doing it backwards.

  • https://about.me/brandon.holthaus SomeNo1

    Yeah, because having one scoring drive in an entire game is nothing to be critical about. Sure, they may be harsh. And you’re being presumptuous believing he’s going to improve and alleviate his defense from having to keep the score under 17. It’s not like there’s no *reason* to be critical of him.

  • Anonymous

    Give me a break. Is faith so bad that all these people are telling Tebow to tone it down? The NFL is full of thugs, gangters, drug addicts, uneducated “College Grad,” adulteres, scum of the earth and crooks. Is being a disciple of God so bad? Get a life.

  • https://about.me/brandon.holthaus SomeNo1

    Uh, I say the bigger problems is religious people being hypocritical. At least, people who don’t acknowledge Jesus for *reasons*. And I know the shortcoming of faith is dismissing rationale.

  • https://about.me/brandon.holthaus SomeNo1

    Hell no. I hate those players even worse than Tebow. And I never had a problem with Tebow either. I was on his side when I heard the pompous ass Mike Mayock giving his opinion. But it was his defenders and having to hear on First Take, about the only sports show I watch, incessantly about Tebow. And then you have fans defending him mainly because of his faith. At least most critics cite his play for their criticisms.

  • https://about.me/brandon.holthaus SomeNo1

    Really? Then Christians should spend more time talking to him and stop trying to convert the rest of us.

  • https://about.me/brandon.holthaus SomeNo1

    Ah, so you’re a prophet now? And you wonder why these evil atheists call you judgmental, self-righteous, presumptuous, pretentious, and the like; especially when your whole faith says to act otherwise. See, I have family who are religious and I love them, along with many other religious people. But there are two kinds: the well-intentioned humble and the judgmental zealous hypocrites. I can at least respect the former.

  • https://about.me/brandon.holthaus SomeNo1

    “Does that clear it up for you?” Hmm, that doesn’t sound too humble. And yes, when I was a Catholic, I do remember something about pride. God wasn’t a fan. And not only are you being prideful, but hypocritical *about* it. And I love how somehow any Bible verse has undeniable credibility.

  • https://about.me/brandon.holthaus SomeNo1

    Ah, your last comments are interesting. Like Bill Maher said, “You can’t win the lottery if you don’t buy a ticket”. Right? I used to use religion as an insurance policy, but ya know what? I decided to learn more and question things like all you religious fanatics always preach. And I also realized I can be a damn fine decent person without having to try and impress God. Hell, it’s funny how everyone knows the same God, yet we have so many different religions. So how the hell can you speak with such certitude? It’s also like the South Park episode where Mormons were the correct faith to get into heaven. Why don’t you separate known from unknown and then present your argument. One day, my man – and I say this with reasonable confidence – man will create a time machine and you can go back and see why religion emerged in the first place. Hell, you can go look at remote tribes of primitive people today.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OVLGMMXBEA3YQIHDXNDSCNTI4Y Spock

    Why is it that this guy – like everyone else with any kind of celebrity – could hype anything from cars to condoms, with no one saying a word in criticism.  But let him or anyone else demonstrate any kind of Christian morality, let alone religious conviction, and there’s bullshit blizzard.  Has anyone stopped to think that athletes, soldiers, and people who must perform under great pressure will often seek any kind of help from superstition, religion, or what-have-you?  I’ve known guys to wear the same socks for months because they were on a winning streak. A combat chopper pilot I knew wouldn’t fly without a little dancing girl statuette on the console of the Huey. 

    Leave the guy alone – he’s got enough problems without this kind of crap. 

  • https://about.me/brandon.holthaus SomeNo1

    No, it wasn’t that bad at the beginning. But somehow it’s become an incendiary polarizing debate. And I do hate the double standard with the NFL being full of drug and substance users, criminals, and stuff. But about Tebow, I don’t understand how he can be so devout and yet he’s working on a Sunday, even if he is giving praise. And while ego, pride, glory, and money may not be Tebow’s motivations, the sport does come down to selfishness and materialism. And why would God care about a damn football game? Even if Tebow’s intentions are pure and his praise humble and sincere, what does any of it have to do with God? It’s football.

    But as I’ve said earlier, I don’t have much of a problem with Tebow, because at least he’s not a hypocrite and he actually does contain his prayer in privacy even if it’s visible. He’s the type of religious person I can respect and even love. I had a bigger problem with the Lions players mocking Tebow’s kneel, because I’m sure they claim to love the same God – most athletes seem to (because they can afford to) – and yet they’re mocking the expression of faith. I don’t care how they rationalize it, the implications are obvious as is their audacious hypocrisy.

    But if Tebow’s faith transcends his game and defines him as a player and person, people are going to love him FOR it or hate him FOR it. If not Tebow, at least the opposing side of his support. I guess many of the other vices other players have committed don’t define them. But I still think it’s bullshit. It’s so damn predictable now, like an official procedure. Kill dogs, be accused of rape, take steroids – serve a suspension or jail time – make a public apology – all is well. I can’t believe how desensitized everyone is to such low moral character. So I respect Tim, but I think his accolades are completely dramatized by people like Skip Bayless and his fans who go beyond his football accomplishments and comment on his faith like it’s responsible for his success. And I don’t know who initiated the whole religious aspect, and I’m hypocritical for engaging in it.

    See, this post was more calm and composed than my others on here, because I actually focused on Tebow; which somehow gets lost in all the talk. If we kept it to his game, because I’ll always agree with his character just not his convictions, I think he is overly criticized and overly praised. But since both sides are so damn extreme, I feel like I’m left to take a side and I choose to argue he isn’t at the moment a great quarterback. If only people would let him develop without bringing up religion or perceiving that bias from the other side.

  • Anonymous

    “Hell no. I hate”  Hmmmm sounds like the end of the arguement for me.  True colors. Go ahead and call me names now you have already lost.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know if you are familiar with this quote:
    “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing
    in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell
    you, they have received their reward in full.  But when you pray, go into your room,
    close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen.”

    But it it explains Warner’s point completely. 

  • Kayla Sproles

    Hmmm…no EGO here. And Personally, I like the voices in my head….they’re nice to me! :) I do have a psychiatrist, His name is Jesus. He is also my Counselor, BFF, and Father!

  • Anonymous

    SomeNo1 1 hour ago in reply to LARRYLeB Yeah, really shoved down our throats, considering you seem to be the only one who knows about that. Really, a couple examples of a banner and a poster. Congrats.Smart Ass:  Just from Google:     1.   Atheist Bus Ads Rattle Fort Worth – NYTimes.com2.   Flying over Texas: ‘God-LESS America’ atheist banners | 3.    4.   Flying over Texas: ‘God-LESS America’ atheist banners |  Do your own home work !

  • http://twitter.com/Rickochet19 Rick Fisher

    I think Kurt Warner needs to back off himself! I have devout Christians in my family, and i understand where Tebow is coming from. My mother told me when God comes into your life it changes you forever. I believe Tebow is not asking the Lord to help him win, he’s thanking him for all his blessings. There is a line in the sand you don’t cross when it comes to certain things. Mothers, children, and God!

  • Anonymous

    There was a South Park episode that parodies this very point, there was an atheist who was convinced if he stopped religion he would stop wars.  He got it to work and they went to the future and found that everyone was still making wars, just in someone else’s name.  I think that premise is very sound.  Wars made are made in the current god’s name because you can justify them.  It goes like this:

    Leader – “here take this weapon and go kill that guy”
    Follower – “kill that guy? why that seems wrong”
    Leader – “No, no he is bad, he has made god mad”
    Follower – “well then let god kill him, he is all powerful, can’t he make him sick or something?”
    Leader – “no god wants you to kill him to show how much you love him, he works in mysterious ways you know.”
    Follower – “OK, but won’t that guy want to kill me if I try to kill him?”
    Leader – “Yeah but god will be mad at you if you don’t”
    Follower – “But that guy will kill me, getting killed is a lot worse than someone mad at me”
    Leader – “But if god is mad at you, you will go to hell.  Besides you die when you are doing this for god he will reward you with life after death in a nice place called heaven”
    Follow – “Oh ok, give me the rock (knife, sword, arrow, gun, AK47, SAM) then, lets get it over with.

    See and when you don’t have that god person there as the threat, it makes it harder, like in Satlinist Russian in WWII.  The leaders couldn’t just say that because they were godless so they had to actually shoot the people that would disagree with them.  But Eric is right, there would still be killing without Christianity.

  • Anonymous

    good thing you happened to pick the correct one!  How lucky for you.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know if you are familiar with this quote:
    “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing
    in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell
    you, they have received their reward in full.  But when you pray, go into your room,
    close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen.”

    But it it explains Warner’s point completely.

  • Anonymous

    Juno don’t get it twisted. Because Tebow says thanks to God doesn’t mean he’s “forcing” you to believe anything. It’s funny how some of you are so offended by a simple thanks.?. (*scrunched eyebrows and a quick shake of the head) And BTW, I said “our God” refering to those that have ears to hear.  I’m very much aware and open to the fact that everyone has a choice to choose their own fate and faith.

  • Anonymous

    Jake, I’m glad you brought that up and this will be my last point on this feed.  I’m very aware of that scripture and it would make perfect sense if you believe Tebow is only doing this for a public display.  The truth is that when he prays, out at the field, he doesn’t ask the cameras to zoom in on him. Also, when he gives thanks on camera that’s not a prayer. Do you really think he doesn’t pray in private? I’m sure he does. Now finally, since you quoted scripture it’s my turn.  Hebrews 13:15-16, “By Him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to His name. But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.” I appreciate all of you that participated in this comment feed. Thanks also to Mr. Brown for giving us this opportunity.

  • Anonymous

    Yes. Plz follow Jake’s comment above for your answer.

  • Anonymous

    I’m so glad you used that photo for your profile…it really says it all.  Lol.

  • http://www.facebook.com/james.barnes2 Jim Barnes

    You don’d have a clue do ya forget Tim Tebow erase him from your mind NOW what does the scripture say Its Plain and simple It does not need a history lesson.Dude your rebuttal is very offensive.

  • Anonymous

    I would have to disagree with you saying that “Inappropriate Attire” and “Fowl Language” haven’t started wars.  Look at the middle east. Muslims have killed, stoned their wives, mothers, children because of showing their faces.  This has been a big reason why they hate America.  They don’t like the values we represent.  But that is America’s freedom isn’t it?  So is our right to Religion and our Freedome of speach.  So who else better to give thanks to, but to our creator.  Because when we get right down to it, our creator is the one that will ALWAYS be there for us. 

  • Anonymous

    One thing I have always wondered about Christianity, and the so-called followers of Jesus Christ.  Why do they take the word of Jesus and, when it doesn’t suit their needs, replace it with the words of Paul?  Shouldn’t Jesus “trump” Paul?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Johnston/100002373842816 Steven Johnston

    KEEP THANKING GOD TIM YOU ARE BLESSED TOO BE WHERE YOU ARE AT AND WITH OUT GOD YOU WOULDNT BE THERE  GLAD SOMEONE IS GIVING GOD THE CREDIT ON THE FIELD INSTEAD OF STOMPING SOMEONE WHILE THEY ARE ON THE GROUND GOD BLESS YOU TIM AND YOU KEEP DOING WHAT YOUR DOING

  • Anonymous

    He is letting his light shine before men to glorify God.He is not religious, he talks to the Father like the WORD of God tells him to .It is a relationship .Do you have a Bible . 

  • Anonymous

    Religious, you are right that is the problem. Mans word is empty .Jesus loves us all. We have free will to chose .It LOOKS like he chooses to “Be ye doers of the Word ,and not hearers only,deceiving  yourselves;Praying with out ceasing letting your regeust known to God.”Gods love letter ,and instructions.God accepts that challenge . If you don’t have a Bible i will send you one ,you can read and ask THE CREATOR yourself.He LOVES you so.