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	<title>Comments on: Donald Fehr Retires, Leaves Baseball as Biggest Culprit in Steroids Scandal</title>
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		<title>By: SpinMax</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpinMax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tucker, innocent until proven guilty applies to your rights in the legal system. It does NOT apply to anyone&#039;s personal opinions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tucker, innocent until proven guilty applies to your rights in the legal system. It does NOT apply to anyone&#8217;s personal opinions</p>
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		<title>By: tucker</title>
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		<dc:creator>tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read the post Gene,

I&#039;m not a strawman.

Never said anything about who did or did not use steriods or whether I believed they did or did not.  My comment was about due process, the right to negotiate working conditions and freedom of choice.  If you believe that owners or anyone for that matter, have the right to impose arbitrary working conditions whatever the rationale then you don&#039;t believe in democracy.   If the members of a union cannot agree on a course of action, then the Executive Director doesn&#039;t have the right to impose a view.  BTW has Fehr ever stated his views on PED&#039;s publicly.  For all we know he may have been against but that is not his job to advocate for one faction of the union over another.    

The division in the ranks of ballplayers was supposedly (according to &quot;Game of Shadows&quot;), the reason Bonds started doping.  He was a better ballplayer (true) but was pissed that McGuire and Sosa were getting all the love.  I guess he showed them what PEDs could really do in the hands of a true &quot;genius&quot;.    He would have hit 80 if they had pitched to him.  LOL

For the record, I believe McGuire, Bonds, Sosa, Clemens, Caminetti et al used PEDS.   It was their deal with the devil and their health.   Steriod use by adults is not a public health issue.  In athletics, it&#039;s a competitive issue and that&#039;s why there are rules and collective bargaining. 

Also, don&#039;t stop with the 70&#039;s and steriods.   Amphetamine use was rampant during the 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s.  Nobody says too much about that.

BTW OJ did it.  It was just an incompetent investigation and prosecution.  If they had done their jobs, they wouldn&#039;t have needed to embellish the facts and leaving the door open for Mr. Cochrane to walk through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read the post Gene,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a strawman.</p>
<p>Never said anything about who did or did not use steriods or whether I believed they did or did not.  My comment was about due process, the right to negotiate working conditions and freedom of choice.  If you believe that owners or anyone for that matter, have the right to impose arbitrary working conditions whatever the rationale then you don&#8217;t believe in democracy.   If the members of a union cannot agree on a course of action, then the Executive Director doesn&#8217;t have the right to impose a view.  BTW has Fehr ever stated his views on PED&#8217;s publicly.  For all we know he may have been against but that is not his job to advocate for one faction of the union over another.    </p>
<p>The division in the ranks of ballplayers was supposedly (according to &#8220;Game of Shadows&#8221;), the reason Bonds started doping.  He was a better ballplayer (true) but was pissed that McGuire and Sosa were getting all the love.  I guess he showed them what PEDs could really do in the hands of a true &#8220;genius&#8221;.    He would have hit 80 if they had pitched to him.  LOL</p>
<p>For the record, I believe McGuire, Bonds, Sosa, Clemens, Caminetti et al used PEDS.   It was their deal with the devil and their health.   Steriod use by adults is not a public health issue.  In athletics, it&#8217;s a competitive issue and that&#8217;s why there are rules and collective bargaining. </p>
<p>Also, don&#8217;t stop with the 70&#8242;s and steriods.   Amphetamine use was rampant during the 60&#8242;s and 70&#8242;s.  Nobody says too much about that.</p>
<p>BTW OJ did it.  It was just an incompetent investigation and prosecution.  If they had done their jobs, they wouldn&#8217;t have needed to embellish the facts and leaving the door open for Mr. Cochrane to walk through.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tucker,

Were you out there with OJ searching the golf courses of the world for the real killers?  Do you really believe that Bonds, Sosa and Mac really got that big by lifting weights in the abbreviated offseason?  

Would you like some Florida swampland or the Brooklyn Bridge?  Maybe you would have believed Neville Chamberlain&#039;s statement that there would be peace in his times after Munich.

Look at the health (or lack of) of the Pittsburgh Steelers of the 1970&#039;s, or check out Gene Upshaw, Lyle Alzado, Flojo, etc.   How can you possibly believe that the hogwash about right to privacy outweighs health issues? Even Donald Fehr has backed off and said that it was probably a mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tucker,</p>
<p>Were you out there with OJ searching the golf courses of the world for the real killers?  Do you really believe that Bonds, Sosa and Mac really got that big by lifting weights in the abbreviated offseason?  </p>
<p>Would you like some Florida swampland or the Brooklyn Bridge?  Maybe you would have believed Neville Chamberlain&#8217;s statement that there would be peace in his times after Munich.</p>
<p>Look at the health (or lack of) of the Pittsburgh Steelers of the 1970&#8242;s, or check out Gene Upshaw, Lyle Alzado, Flojo, etc.   How can you possibly believe that the hogwash about right to privacy outweighs health issues? Even Donald Fehr has backed off and said that it was probably a mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: tucker</title>
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		<dc:creator>tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If any of you had balls, you would stand up for things such as due process,  privacy rights and innocent until proven guilty.   Freedom ain&#039;t free and democracy(collective bargaining) is messy.

Donald Fehr did a heck of job in maintaining a union during the age of Reagan.  He raised salaries and resisted claims from owners who &quot;never made any money&quot;.

Don&#039;t let the press of the hook.  They knew what was going on and they choose not to investigate or report it.    Everybody was happy and making money.  No revisionist history please.

People have the right to be idiots until they mutually agree to stop.  You don&#039;t have to pay to watch.   If you do, it&#039;s just entertainment.

BTW Fehr and Marvin Miller should be in the Hall of Fame.  It just shows what jerks the sportswriter are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If any of you had balls, you would stand up for things such as due process,  privacy rights and innocent until proven guilty.   Freedom ain&#8217;t free and democracy(collective bargaining) is messy.</p>
<p>Donald Fehr did a heck of job in maintaining a union during the age of Reagan.  He raised salaries and resisted claims from owners who &#8220;never made any money&#8221;.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let the press of the hook.  They knew what was going on and they choose not to investigate or report it.    Everybody was happy and making money.  No revisionist history please.</p>
<p>People have the right to be idiots until they mutually agree to stop.  You don&#8217;t have to pay to watch.   If you do, it&#8217;s just entertainment.</p>
<p>BTW Fehr and Marvin Miller should be in the Hall of Fame.  It just shows what jerks the sportswriter are.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might add that we won&#039;t know the full amount of damage which Fehr and his chief deputy, Gene Orza, have inflicted on baseball for ten or twenty years, when we see how many  PED users are dropping dead or are incapacitated.  Orza effectively will be out when Fehr is out, because he was the logical successor and is not getting the head job.

I have no sympathy for the players.  They chose &quot;union solidarity&quot; over drug testing by following Fehr and Orza instead of going public with their views. if any of them had balls, they would have gone public and said that they support the union and its leadership on everything but drug testing, but not one of them had the guts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might add that we won&#8217;t know the full amount of damage which Fehr and his chief deputy, Gene Orza, have inflicted on baseball for ten or twenty years, when we see how many  PED users are dropping dead or are incapacitated.  Orza effectively will be out when Fehr is out, because he was the logical successor and is not getting the head job.</p>
<p>I have no sympathy for the players.  They chose &#8220;union solidarity&#8221; over drug testing by following Fehr and Orza instead of going public with their views. if any of them had balls, they would have gone public and said that they support the union and its leadership on everything but drug testing, but not one of them had the guts.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FANTASTIC post.  They keep airing this clip from Jose Canseco on Sirius radio where he basically says (paraphrasing) &quot;If Manny and A-Rod are getting caught...how much bigger of a star can you bring down?  I mean, who&#039;s really to blame?&quot;  And its true--I don&#039;t blame the players.  I blame Fehr for condoning this, and protecting them, for far too long.  T</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FANTASTIC post.  They keep airing this clip from Jose Canseco on Sirius radio where he basically says (paraphrasing) &#8220;If Manny and A-Rod are getting caught&#8230;how much bigger of a star can you bring down?  I mean, who&#8217;s really to blame?&#8221;  And its true&#8211;I don&#8217;t blame the players.  I blame Fehr for condoning this, and protecting them, for far too long.  T</p>
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		<title>By: SpinMax</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpinMax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the three worst figures, the othesr being Selig &amp; George Steinbrenner, who when the owners would have their votes for some of the revenue sharing, he&#039;d be the only NO vote. Why did Selig always cave in to him? They could take a vote tomorrow for FULL revenue sharing and it would pass easily...yet it&#039;s not pushed. Why? Fehr is a slimebag lawyer type, Selig is a slimebag used car salesman type, Steinbrenner is a slimebag bully type. Hate em all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the three worst figures, the othesr being Selig &amp; George Steinbrenner, who when the owners would have their votes for some of the revenue sharing, he&#8217;d be the only NO vote. Why did Selig always cave in to him? They could take a vote tomorrow for FULL revenue sharing and it would pass easily&#8230;yet it&#8217;s not pushed. Why? Fehr is a slimebag lawyer type, Selig is a slimebag used car salesman type, Steinbrenner is a slimebag bully type. Hate em all.</p>
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