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By: Thomas

Thomas — Sat, 09 Jun 2007 16:33:56 +0000

You’re assuming pitchers can’t pitch past 38 or 40… At the rate he’s going, Jamie Moyer will get to 300 wins in about 6 years… Someone will get there, I’d put my money on C.C. or Dontrelle.

By: Larry Brown

Larry Brown — Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:57:26 +0000

Mark Buehrle has the youth, but I can’t put someone up there who’s been bombed the past two seasons.

By: steve

steve — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:38:28 +0000

I’m not saying he’ll get there, but I’m always amazed that everyone always forgets about Mark Buehrle in this argument? He’s going for his 100th win this Saturday and should be at around 115 at the end of this year (he just turned 28). He needs to average 15 wins until he is 40, very possible. He is like a left handed Maddux, wins on “smarts” and “location”. Who knows what wil happen, but Buehrle belongs in the discussion.

By: JB

JB — Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:53:14 +0000

Larry Brown wrote: “Pitchers donâ€™t simply win 20 games any more. Those days are over,”

That’s a bunch of crap.

20-Game winners since the strike (total, both leagues)
2006-0
2005-4
2004-3
2003-5
2002-6
2001-7
2000-4
1999-3
1998-4
1997-4
1996-3

Was there some seismic shift in baseball strategry or starting pitcher usage between 2005 and 2006? Or was 2006 just an odd year?

By: Larry Brown

Larry Brown — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:12:03 +0000

I definitely don’t see any of today’s pitchers doing it, but it’s larger than that. I think all the over-arching factors that have changed the game will make it impossible. 5 man rotations, conservative pitch counts, complex bullpens.

I get irritated every time an analyst says “___ will be a 20 game winner this year.”

Actually, no he won’t. Pitchers don’t simply win 20 games any more. Those days are over, and so are the 300 game winner days.

But as you point out Lally, and some of the other comments do, it’s much more of a rarity than say 500 home runs any way. Until the rules of the game change, you definitely won’t be seeing any 300 game winners in the future.

By: Lally

Lally — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:05:37 +0000

Larry,

With your responses to everyone’s comments, it sounds more and more like you’re asserting that no pitcher in the game today (save Glavine and RJ) will reach 300 wins. Not that there will never be a 300 game winner again.

If that’s your argument, I’d agree with you.

Like it’s been said by everyone, 300 win pitchers are rare no matter what era they pitch in.

By: Brian

Brian — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:58:59 +0000

I agree with your statement, but not for any of the reasons listed. Kids pick a sport and specialize in it too young nowadays. By the time anyone talented enough to reach this milestone breaks into the league, they will already have too many innings on their arm to have any chance at the kind of longevity necessary to reach it. Barring some sort of new breakthrough in sports medicine that significantly reduces the wear and tear on a pitcher’s arm (or perhaps an ambidextrous freak of nature), I do not see 300 wins happening ever again.

By: Will

Will — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:58:45 +0000

(Sorry, that last sentence was directed at the author of this post, not the author of the comment I was responding to)