Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. looked so bad Freddie Roach nearly stopped fight before big comeback

Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.’s comeback in the 12th round against Sergio Martinez on Saturday night was so improbable that his trainer, Freddie Roach, said he nearly stopped the fight after the 10th round.

Roach told his fighter in the corner after the 10th that he needed a knockout to win the fight. Then during an inteview with HBO’s Max Kellerman, Roach even said he was considering stopping the fight after the 10th.

“Freddie, you told Julio that he needed a knockout to win. How does he get it?” asked Kellerman.

“He’s gotta punch with him, he’s gotta exchange with him, he’s gotta let his hands go. He’s walking in with his head down. He’s gotta let his hands go to knock this guy out,” said Roach.

“Can he [knock him out]?” Kellerman asked.

“I’m not sure. His speed is just so much. His speed is a factor in this fight — the kid is very fast. We can’t keep up with him — at least so far.”

“Have you had any thoughts of stopping the fight?” Kellerman followed.

“I did. I said to Julio ‘Julio, show me that you want to win this fight.’ I’d like to see a little bit more,” said Roach.

“He’s trying really hard, but the speed factor is just too much.”

Yes, that’s how bad Chavez Jr. looked through 10 rounds. Roach was ready to stop the fight. But guess what? Chavez Jr. managed to get in some nice shots on Martinez in the 12th and even put the Argentine on the canvas twice — once thanks to a punch, and another time after the wobbly Martinez slipped.

It seemed like Martinez went away from what made him successful earlier in the fight. He started the first minute just dancing around with his hands down, hardly throwing any punches. That allowed Chavez Jr. to step in and catch him with a good shot.

We later learned that Martinez was taken to the hospital after the fight and that he had a broken left hand. We don’t know when that happened, but it could explain why he was so quiet in the 12th.

Some people have pointed out that Chavez Jr. is the latest one of Roach’s fighters to lose or look bad in a big fight, joining Manny Pacquiao and Amir Khan. I certainly think something is wrong with his training.

Roach was upset with Chavez Jr. for slacking off during training camp leading up to the fight, and the fighter even tested positive for marijuana afterwards. It’s obvious that Chavez Jr. was lazy and that Roach wasn’t getting through to him.

While I don’t blame all of Chavez Jr.’s struggles on Roach — I’ve long felt Julio was extremely overrated and it looks like he was lazy — we’re seeing that Roach is not a miracle worker, and that his training (or decision about whom to train), has some holes.

Maybe Roach needs to use stricter standards when he decides whom he’s going to train. And maybe he needs to think about what he can improve to make his fighters look better in the ring, because his fighters getting beat badly is not reflecting well on his reputation.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/mamba.billups Jason Griffin

    nobody said that if you trained with roach you will be invincible. i dont know where did you get that. and if you watched 24/7 of chavez and martinez you will questioned how chavez trained he will train if he feels he wants to  he will see roach if he feels he wants to. that’s is the problem chavez became too arrogant and have so mucj confidence to lessen his motivation against martinez fight. and 0-3 pac really won that. you can’t blame roach about pac losing the fight. but i want to see a remath between chavez and martinez for sure chavez will be so much prepared on the 2nd time and learned from his mistake. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/iamsaintjudeloria Uno Deloria

    you know what Larry, with this article, you only proved that you know nothing about boxing! Read what you’ve posted and analyze! What a disgrace loser turn writer!

  • http://www.facebook.com/reynaldo.medina.969 Reynaldo Medina

    Yes trainers prepare their fighters to fight well, they see all the opponents previous fights, and make their fight plans. Fighters trains and prepare themselves for the fight. However come fight night IT IS THE FIGHTER WHO WILL DO THE FIGHTING INSIDE THE RING.He will make the adjustments if necessary while he inside and use his judgement. THE TRAINER  cant do anything if the fighter while inside the ring does not want to throw punches, does not want follow instructions. THEN WHEN A FIGHTER LOSES THE BOUT, THE TRAINER GOT THE AXE. UNFAIR.

  • dmac412

    pac was robbed. khan has a glass jaw. chavez is slow and not that skilled. how can that be roach’s fault? besides, how easily people forget how he catapulted manny’s career, built khan’s record after a brutal ko and improved chavez to a point where people felt he can match up against an elite like sergio. losses happen but roach is still the best in this age.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=533179135 Sajan Patel

    No one can blame roach for this, if anyone watched the hbo 24/7 series chavez didnt turn up to the sessions and seems to want to train when ever he likes be it 2am in the morning or just at home he is all over the place. he need to show dedication more like manny. Roach cant be everything. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/mar.lansangan Mar Lansangan

    Pacman is different,he was then a champion before Roa

  • http://www.facebook.com/mar.lansangan Mar Lansangan

    chType your comment here.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AYUA3FJLF6I7REW3SZ6F2MPURY chino

    Stupid article, everything roach said was spot on, just because jr almost KO martinez in the 12 doesnt change anything.  Actually it proves he was right that if junior had let his hands go and threw with martinez even when he was getting hit he will have a better chance of winning.  Roach is one of the best trainers out there but all he can do is train the fighter has to fight.

  • hottestboxer

    Boxing writers and commentators are so fair-weather in their positions! All athletic endeavors go through ups and downs. Is Jerry Jones no longer a football and business mastermind because the Cowboys have stunk for years? Julio waited until the 12th round to do what Roach was telling him all along, starting in camp- cut off the ring, get him into the ropes, and let your hands go. When Julio did it, finally, it came together, but too late. Neither Amir or Julio would have won so much, got so much media attention, got into the best shape of their lives, done their best boxing, if it wasn’t for Roach. But they are who they are and they have to do it in the ring. Roach’s job ends when the bell sounds. The outcome of a loss doesn’t mean he didn’t do his job. That’s the chance, and the excitement of boxing. So write about something else.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bobby.nanaman Bobby Nanaman

    Martinez won the fight Chavez Jr as he is won the hearts of a lot of people. Martinez seemingly did not made a classy fight, he just capitalized on a Chavez Jr seemingly dumb fight. Chavez Sr was a thinking fighter rather smallish of his weight who made good on maximizing his reach; Chavez Jr is big and tall for his weigh who does his best to negate his size and reach advantage. I’m not saying he’s dumb. Khan.. Chavez Jr.. gives credence to the idea that Pacquiao during his peak made Roach and not the other way around.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bobby.nanaman Bobby Nanaman

    I’m not saying roach is dumb either.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/L6T62KKMXJNF5ORQWHFQ6VBIPE John Aco

    This is the most idiotic assessment.  You say Roach didn’t believe in his fighter because he admitted his fighter was getting over-matched?  Great cornermen protects their fighters.  You blast him for admitting he almost stopped the fight and stupidly compares this to how YOU THINK Chavez Sr. would have chosen not to?  You are an idiot and a half for reporting your personal opinion as facts.  I’ll give you another idot call-out for saying roach didn’t believ in his fighter when IN FACT, HE DECIDED TO KEEP JUNIOR in the fight with a puncher’s chance.  Your propaganda to bring Roach down won’t work.

  • joseph pacheco

    This statement that Larry Brown made here just shows he knows nothing about the sport of boxing.  Brown is referring to Roach in this comment below:

    “And how could he so thoroughly miscalculate things with Chavez Jr. by putting him against someone who was so much better?”

    If you actually had a clue about boxing then you would know that it is not up to the trainer who his fighter fights, its up to the fighter’s management, fighter, and promoter.  The trainer’s job is to prepare him for whomever the opponent is, but its not the trainer who gets to have a final approval of who the opponent is.

    What an amateurish comment by this so-called sports writer.

  • http://larrybrownsports.com Larry Brown

    If he recognized how overmatched his fighter was, he could have dropped him as a client and refused to go along with thr fight if he thought it was such a bad idea.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003737151882 Wayne Grobbelaar

    show me how many businessmen turn their backs on a moneymaking business venture and i’ll tell you why fred never dropped his boxing client.